How do Trinitarians interpret John 3:35?

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John 3:35:

The Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand.

The Son is "He who comes from above" (verse 31) and you cannot come from somewhere if you did not exist there.

has given from the verse in question is

The word δεδωκεν is the 3rd person single form of the verb marked similar below. Its tense is perfect (which indicates a present-tense report of an action that has been completed but has effects in the now; like: "he has done"), its voice is active (which indicates that the subject performs the action, in stead of receives it), and its mood is indicative (which describes a situation that actually is — as opposed to a situation that might be, is wished for, or is commanded to be).

The things reported as having been given to the Son by the Father are just that...an already completed action in the past. The "giving" is connected contextually with his having "come from above" and so is best understood as having been given in his pre-incarnate existence.

The Nicene creed affirmation that Jesus is eternally begotten of the Father encompasses that the "giving" is from eternity, from ancient of days. The "giving" is not separate from the begetting. In begetting the Son the Father "gives" divine essence, divine authority, divine name, divine power, divine life, etc.

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The first thing to observe about this verse,

The Father loves the Son and has given all things into his hand. (John 3:35 - ESV)

is that it is part of the Evangelist's theological comment (John 3:31-36) following the words of John the Baptist on the the superiority of the Christ (John 3:27-30).

The second thing is that if someone receives something from someone, that something did reasonably not belong to him.

Radz Brown, who asked the question, says,

It seems that God Almighty made Jesus a God Almighty ?

with a peculiar "a" before "God Almighty", and a grammatically incorrect question mark at the end, that perfectly show his perplexity.

My two cents is that John 3:35 means exactly what it says: God, being almighty, "has made this Jesus whom you crucified both Lord and Christ" (Acts 2:36).

Peter’s point is that - from then on - the Lord on whom one calls for salvation is Jesus, because he is the one mediating God’s blessing of the Spirit as a sign of the presence of salvation and the last days.

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Jesus being the second "person" of the trinity did not need God the Father to explain his identity to him. The scriptures use words (symbols) to convey to us in the best way possible Jesus' nature. In Hebrew tradition when a Father "gave" the blessing to his son he transferred all authority to the Son and the son would then be one and the same as the Father. Therefore in John 10:30 (NAB) Jesus says "the Father and I are one." The words whether oral or written were used so the people of God could understand that Jesus the Son possessed the same authority as God the Father. The words are there to offer us a way to conceptualize who and what Jesus was and still is, God the Son.

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The Godhead is eternal, but within that eternality is the doctrine of the eternal generation of the Son, and the eternal procession of the Holy Spirit from the Father (and the Son, if your tradition in question confesses the filioque).

The Eastern Orthodox probably most strongly emphasize the primacy of the Father in the Godhead as the source of all divine essence. The West emphasized it less due to spats with Arians who denied the full divinity of the Son, and to emphasize the generation of the Son doesn't do anyone favors when defending the divinity of the Son. Within eternity, the Son delights to do the will of the Father. To be given "life in himself" is a divine mystery. Aseity, self existence, is one of the attributes of God and therefore must be an attribute of each of the persons of the Godhead, but nonetheless, the Father as the divine source eternally generates the Son and the Spirit. So is there such a thing of eternally derived aseity? Seems so.

The Godhead is one essence in three persons, and apart from any works of creation or any addition of anything outside of himself, God is love, and God expresses that love eternally within himself. The Son delights to glorify the Father. The Father delights to glorify the Son. The Father reveals his will to the Son, the Son obeys the will and receives the kingdom, all authority, all majesty, and the name that is above all names.

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(As always a draft).

The key word that I will try to portray is a model. But first some definitions when dealing with the Trinity. It is necessary to point out the difference between the essential Trinity and the economical Trinity. The essential Trinity is a matter of the essence of the Triune God for His eternal existence; the economical Trinity is a matter of God's arrangement for His operation in His move to accomplish His eternal purpose.

The essential or the ontological Trinity refers to the essence of the Triune God for His existence. In His essence, God is one, the one unique God (Isa. 45:18b; 1 Cor. 8:6a). In the essential Trinity, the Father, the Son, and the Spirit coexist and coinhere at the same time and in the same way with no succession. There is no first, second, or third.

Essentially, God is one, but economically He is three—the Father, the Son, and the Spirit (Matt. 28:19; 2 Cor. 13:14). In God's plan, God's administrative arrangement, God's economy, the Father takes the first step, the Son takes the second step, and the Spirit takes the third step. The Father purposed (Eph. 1:4-6), the Son accomplished (vv. 7-12), and the Spirit applies what the Son accomplished according to the Father's purpose (vv. 13-14). This is a successive procedure or a succession in God's economy to carry out His eternal purpose.

Karl Rahner, in his book, The Trinity, postulates:

There is only one outward activity of God, exerted and possessed as one and the same by Father, Son, and Spirit, according to the peculiar way in which each of them possesses the Godhead…

The activity which is common to all three persons and appropriated only to one is (as with the divine essence) possessed by each of the three persons in his own proper way. The threefold way of subsisting of this activity (considered principiative) is as intrinsic and necessary for its existence as it is necessary and essential for the divine essence to subsist as threefold.

God's eternal purpose is to work Himself into us and make us the same as His Firstborn Son. The Firstborn Son of God is the standard model for God's economy. This standard model has both divinity and humanity. Originally, He was the Only Begotten Son of God. As the Only Begotten Son of God, He was the embodiment of God, for all that is in the Godhead was embodied in Him (Col. 2:9). He was also the expression of God (Heb. 1:3). As the embodiment and expression of God, He became incarnated, bringing divinity into humanity and joining humanity to divinity. But before the incarnation, divinity had never been joined to humanity. Since the day of His incarnation, there was in this universe a wonderful Person who was both human and divine.

Your question touches on the fundamental question of why there is a biblical revelation of the economic Trinity.

With the above background, we can see the Triune God's purpose is to work Himself into us and make us the same as His Firstborn Son (Rom. 8:29). The Firstborn Son of God is the standard model for God's economy. This standard model has both divinity and humanity.

Originally, He was the Only Begotten Son of God. As the Only Begotten Son of God, He was the embodiment of God, for all that is in the Godhead was embodied in Him (Col. 2:9). He was also the expression of God (Heb. 1:3). As the embodiment and expression of God, He became incarnated, bringing divinity into humanity and joining humanity to divinity. But before the incarnation, divinity had never been joined to humanity. Since the day of His incarnation, there was in this universe a wonderful Person who was both human and divine.

As the Only Begotten Son, Christ was already in glory. That did not require glorification. However, once He was on earth in His humanity, He needed to be glorified (John 17:1, Luke 24:26). Since He was already in glory, why did He still need to be glorified? Although He was in glory as the Only Begotten Son, since He had put on humanity, the human part of His being had to be glorified, to be processed into glory. In His resurrection Christ entered into His glorification (Luke 24:26).

Without knowing Christ, in His humanity, sets before his disciples, a model of One who partakes of the Father's divine nature, then Peter would never wrote that we will be "partakers of the divine nature". (2 Pet. 1:4).

In His divinity as the only begotten Son of God, Christ had authority over all. However, in His humanity as the Son of Man to be the King of the heavenly kingdom, all authority in heaven and on earth was given to Him after His resurrection. Christ lived as One who is under authority (seen in His contact with the centurion's sick daughter - the centurion who lived under authority saw and recognize Christ as One who does also). This became a model for the church life as the kingdom of God for the believers' exercise and equipping in the divine authority—Rom. 14:17; Rev. 1:9; Acts 14:22; Matt. 18:18.

As God, before His incarnation, the Lord Jesus was the Lord already. But after His incarnation, this very God became a man. God was the Lord, but man was not. Yet the Lord became a man, and this man was crucified on the cross, buried, and resurrected from the dead. It was at this time that the man Jesus became the Lord. For God to be the Lord, there is no need of any kind of inauguration. But for a small man from a lowly town in a despised country to be made the Lord requires a real inauguration. He was not made the Lord as God. As God He was Lord already. Now this man from Nazareth was inaugurated to be the Lord of all.

Peter, preaching on the day of Pentecost, said, "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ." Peter not only preached Christ as the Savior, but also as Lord of all. He never realized that Jesus was so great before the ascension. By the ascension he realized that the very man Jesus, whom he had been following for three and a half years, had been inaugurated to be Lord of all!

In other words, the extent to which we understand and appreciate the economy of the mystery is the extent to which we will understand, appreciate, and experience. Our experience of the economic Trinity reveals the eternal will, the intentionality of the immanent Trinity, that we can partake further and deeper of the organic dispensing that He immanently is and through which He economically flows.

The Triune God is revealed economically in the New Testament to implicitly and subjectively communicate the axiomatic principles of His being, thereby convincing the believers of the reality of the possibility of fellowship, the communion of communication, within the sphere of the mingled, organic identity of God and man, first in the person and work of the incarnated Son and then in the enlarged sphere of the many sons of God. because, axiomatically, He is both organic and He exists as an eternal dispensing (Revelation 22:1).

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