What do we know about Hitler/OKW's plans concerning USSR if Molotov/Ribbentropp Pact hadn't happened?

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Under the Spreading Chestnut Tree: The Evolving Soviet-German Relationship in 1939

The short answer to the question as framed, seems to be that there is no known specific documented evidence of what the Germans planned to do in Poland in the absence of an agreement with the Soviet Union. The following quote from historian Norman Rich examines the significance of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact in Hitler's decision to go to war in 1939:

"Another possible explanation of Hitler's decision to go to war in September 1939 was his success in arranging a nonaggression pact with the Soviet Union on August 23, which, by freeing him from the danger of a major war on two fronts, gave him what amounted to a blank check for waging war against the West. Further, the economic agreements concluded with the Soviet Union in conjunction with the nonaggression pact assured Germany of vital supplies of strategic raw materials and would go far to free Germany from the throttling effect of an Allied naval blockade.

The treaties with Russia, however, do not appear to have had any more influence in fixing Hitler's decision to go to war with Poland than the Anglo-French guarantees. Neither the Germans nor the Western powers had any high regard for Russia's military capacity, which appeared to have been eroded still further by recent large-scale purges of the Soviet military leadership. Indeed British and French lack of confidence in the effectiveness of Russia's military co-operation was one of the major reasons for their lack of enthusiasm for an alliance with Russia. As for Hitler, Russia played a remarkably small role in his political and military calculations as he contemplated the prospect of war in 1938 and 1939, and there is every reason to believe that he would have resorted to military action even without the Russian treaty. In both the Austrian and Sudeten crises, while Russia was still openly hostile to Germany, Hitler had hoped and expected his opponents to give way, but in each case he seems to have been prepared to fight." (Rich, p.125)

Rich cites evidence that German intelligence had been monitoring British and French assessments of Soviet military capability during their negotiations with the Soviet Union between March and July 1939, and German archives contained files which included analysis by Allied military experts of the Soviet Army and Air force, and both were considered to be "very weak indeed", with "no ability to maintain an effective offensive", and British Foreign Office advice stating that "it was unlikely that on land [Soviet] military effort would be of very much effect". (Rich, p.293)

"Not until the first part of August 1939 is there reliable evidence that Hitler had definitely decided to attack Poland. At this time the Russo-German pact had not yet been concluded, nor had Hitler succeeded in neutralizing the Western powers. Important as the negotiations with Russia appear to have been in retrospect, Hitler seems to have attached far more importance to his efforts to isolate Poland from the West." (Rich, p.126)

Halder's War Journal on 14 August 1939 reports on a meeting between Hitler and his high command on that date and contains a number of relevant comments, which also serve as a very useful springboard for further exploring the issue of German considerations of the Soviet Union in her policy towards Poland in the pre-war period.

"Russia is not in the least disposed to pull chestnuts out of the fire. Has nothing to gain, but much to fear, War at the periphery not opposed to, perhaps even welcome, Not so in center, losing a war is as much of a threat to the Russian state as a victorious army, Interested in disruption of Western nations, access to Baltic." (Halder, Vol. I, p.7)

"The last weeks have brought increasing conviction of Poland's isolation."

"Primary prerequisite: Clearcut military decision must be achieved within measurable time. [Hitler] would expect Poland to collapse within a week or two. Final disposition might take longer."

"Second prerequisite: Resolution to fight every comer. Build-up in West must be completed to last detail."

"Relations with Russia: -- Loose contact, starting out from negotiations for trade agreement. Still under advis*m*nt whether a negotiator should go to Moscow, and, whether or not this should be a promin­ent figure. Russia does not feel under any obligation toward the West. Russians are sympathetic to dismemberment of Poland, On subject of Ukraine, promise has been given regarding delimitation of Spheres of Interest. -- Baltic States? The issue is Lithuania (not the Baltic States). Russians want to discuss subject more closely. Distrust. Want no common frontier. -- Fuehrer inclined to meet halfways."

It is clear that Hitler was determined to "fight every comer", although his contingency planning emphasis is clearly directed solely towards the possibility that Britain might fight, and that in such a case, the French would reluctantly join them. Halder's diary contains detailed descriptions of German military preparations in the West, and concludes that the limited time frame for a response will ensure that any Western intervention would be limited to basic mobilization plans, and German defensive requirements are meticulously calculated accordingly. There are no further operational plans for war with the West. As such it is not surprising to find no operational plans for the contingency of a hostile Soviet intervention either. The bulk of the German Army was already deployed in the East for operations in Poland, and in the presumed unlikely event of a surprise Soviet response, adequate forces to restore the situation would already be in place, and a major reassessment of the entire German war strategy on both fronts would be in order, before any offensive possibilities against the Soviet Union could be considered.

Given Rich's claim that the Russo-German pact had little impact on Hitler's decision for war in 1939, it is worth taking a few steps back, and looking at the evolution of German policy towards Poland in the post-Munich period, to see if any conclusions can be reached about how the Soviet Union actually figured into German decision making during that time.

Shortly after Munich, both Hitler and Ribbentrop made friendly advances towards Poland, offering new security guarantees in exchange for German acquisition of Danzig, and transit rights across the Polish Corridor. Hitler claimed a strong Poland in the East eased his own security concerns, and even hinted that their mutual opposition to Russia offered the possibility of future territorial expansion for Poland into the Ukraine (should the opportunity arise). His strategic outlook, at this time, was characterized by his belief that the West needed to be dealt with as the first military priority, and a friendly Poland in the East would secure his rear against a two-front war.

By January 1939, Germany's friendly policy towards Poland had broken down. German proposals had been repeatedly rejected, as Poland correctly determined that moving too closely to Germany would be seen as hostile by Russia, and this would destroy its ability to maintain its independence by balancing its relations with both Germany and Russia, and would result in Poland becoming a dependent vassal of Germany. Hitler concluded that this same attitude would also inevitably prevent Poland from accepting assistance from Russia, in the event that he adopted a more confrontational approach towards Poland.

On 12 February 1939, Hitler met with Slovak dissidents and set the wheels in motion for the dissolution of the rump Czecho-Slovakian state, by stating his support for Slovakian independence. A political crisis ensued in that country, which by early March 1939 had reached a culminating point.

Hitler & Stalin Cartoon

On 10 March 1939, at the height of the rising tensions in Czecho-Slovakia, Joseph Stalin gave a speech to the 18th Party Congress, which was widely seen as having major political significance. He denounced the unwillingness of the West to fully involve the Soviet Union in its collective security arrangements, and claimed the West was insincere, and was actually intent on dragging the Soviet Union alone into war with Germany. He declared that the Soviet Union had no reason for hostility towards Germany, and in fact saw prospects for enhanced economic engagement. He believed Germany would be crazy to try to take the Ukraine from the Soviet Union, as Western propaganda was suggesting, because the Soviets could and would defend their own interests vigorously, but he had no intention of pulling other's chestnuts out of the fire.

This speech by Stalin was understood as a declaration that the Soviet Union had lost faith in the Western efforts of collective security and would not involve itself further in confronting Germany unless their own interests were directly threatened. The reference to "chestnuts" in subsequent speeches by Hitler, and in Halder's diary, clearly shows the significance with which the Germans held this speech as an indicator of Soviet intent.

The following day, on 11 March 1939, Hitler ordered the preparation of an ultimatum to the Czech government, he presented a verbal ultimatum to the Slovakians on 13 March 1939 to enact their declaration of independence, and by 15 March 1939, Czecho-Slovakia had ceased to exist and was under German domination. The brutality of the dismemberment was later said to have been intended as a demonstration to the Poles, and the diplomatic fall-out was immediate, with Britain and France offering military guarantees to Poland, Romania, Greece, and Turkey, the effect of which was to stiffen Polish resolve and end any possibility of an amicable resolution of the German demands over Danzig and the Polish Corridor.

By 30 March 1939, when Hitler was finalizing his annexation of the Memel territory from Lithuania, he claimed he had come to the realization that Poland was too untrustworthy to rely upon in the German rear while war with the West was on the horizon. He reversed his previous policy and determined that Poland would need to be dealt with first, before Germany turned West. The formalization of the Memel transfer included a nonaggression pact between Germany and Lithuania, and a provision that neither party would allow a third-party to attack the other from its territory, a clear sign that Hitler's eyes were now turning pointedly towards Poland and the Soviet Union.

Just a few days later, on 3 April 1939 the Fall Weiss directive was drafted. It was formally issued on 11 April 1939. Norman Rich indicates that the wording of the directive was identical to earlier directives which had been issued before the annexations of Austria and the Sudetenland, and gave clear preference to a peaceful resolution, so his opinion is that war between Germany and Poland was not inevitable at this point, but clearly the changing attitudes of the Western powers had shifted the political climate dramatically. It is interesting to note, that the Baltic States were included along with Poland as the subjects of the Fall Weiss directive, and it was anticipated that they would submit to German military demands, resulting in Germany occupying territory up to the "old Courland line". Preparation of Fall Weiss was completed by 15 June 1939.

On 3 May 1939 Molotov replaced Litvinov as the Foreign Minister of the Soviet Union, which Hitler interpreted as an end to the Soviet "era of intervention".

On 23 May 1939, Hitler gave a brutal speech to his generals, which some have suggested left no room for any peaceful resolution of the Polish situation, although Norman Rich suggests the reporting of this speech is not entirely reliable, and prefers a later date in mid August when he believes all hope of another bloodless diplomatic coup was truly lost.

Which brings us back to Halder's diary on 14 August 1939, a week before the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was signed. He claims that by that date, the Soviets had already indicated their support of the partition of Poland. They had already agreed to spheres of influence, which had curtailed German ambitions in the Baltic States. They wanted Polish Ukraine, but did not want a common frontier with Germany, and there were unresolved issues with Polish Lithuania. Hitler preferred to meet the Soviets halfway. History shows us that even after the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, these issues had not been fully resolved, and indeed adjustments were made to the delineation of spheres of interest while the military campaign was underway.

It is quite evident, that the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact was not in itself, the decisive moment in time it is usually held to be. German and Soviet relations were clearly evolving throughout 1939, and German policy towards Poland was evolving in tandem. If a decisive moment is sought, it seems to me to have been closer to the 10 March 1939, when Stalin made his "chestnuts" speech in Moscow. From that point on, there was little consideration given at all to the possibility that the Soviet Union would interfere, or intervene, to halt German encroachments on Poland, and indeed it was a sign for Germany that Russia would entertain improved relations at the expense of the duplicitous Western warmongers and their allies. The dramatic shift in the diplomatic scene in the days which followed, seems to support this view. As such the subsequent military planning, including Fall Weiss, can be seen as arising entirely within the era of Soviet-German harmony, and the question of military contingency planning towards Russia becomes somewhat redundant.

References (more to follow)

Hitler's War Aims: Ideology, the Nazi State, and the Course of Expansion (1973) - Norman Rich

War Journal of Franz Halder - Franz Halder

Letter Reporting on Stalin's Speech of 10 March 1939 - The Chargé in the Soviet Union (Kirk) to the Secretary of State

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No one knows what exactly would happen. Hitler's original goal was annexing Danzig and the "Polish corridor". The idea of partitioning of Poland and liquidating it as an state was the result of the German-Soviet pact. Also Polish resistance did not stop with the fall of Warsaw: Poland surrendered only after the Soviet invasion from the East which made all further resistance hopeless.

Ref. S. McMeekin, Stalin's war, Hachette Books, 2021.

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The war diary of Colonel General Franz Halder, the, then, Chief of Staff of the Army High Command, has some musings on the German-Russian situation leading up to the outbreak of the war and after.

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14 August 1939

Political: Primary opponents: Poland Britain (active), France Others: Russia is not in the least disposed to pull chestnuts of the fire. Has nothing to gain, but much to fear. War at the periphery not opposed to, perhaps even welcome. Not so in center, losing a war is as much of a threat to the Russian State as a victorious army. Interested in disruption of western nations, access to Baltic.

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[still 14 August 1939]

Relations with Russian, Loose contact, starting out from negotiations for trade agreement. Still under advis*m*nt whether a negotiator should go to 0Moscow, and, whether or not this should be a prominent figure. Russia does not feel under any obligation toward the West. Russians are sympathetic to dismemberment of Poland. On subject Ukraine, promise has been given regarding delimitation of spheres of interest. -- Baltic States? The- issue is Lithuania (not the Baltic States). Russians want to discuss subject more closely. Distrust. Want no common frontier. Fuehrer inclined to meet halfway.

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In a meeting on 21 August 1939, Halder paraphrases the words of Abwehr chief Canaris:

Canaris: a) Present version of guaranty pact does not meet Russian wishes. Program: Ribbentrop will go (to Moscow) eight days after signing and publication of trade agreement (20 Aug.); would have to take with him draft of guaranty pact, covering all points of joint interest to Germany and Russia. Russian draft provides for exclusion of use of force against third parties and of support to aggressors arbitration in event of disagreements, and duration for five years from date of ratification.

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22 August 1939, in a conference including Hitler and the commanding generals of the three services . . .

Russia will never be so out of her mind as to go to war for France and Britain. Developments in Russia: Dismissal of Litvinov marks end of interventionist era. Next the trade agreement. Even before that conversations were initiated by Russia on a non-aggression pact. German intervention in Russo-Japanese conflict, and Baltic States. Russians have Informal us that they are ready to sign the pact. Direct contact between Stalin and Fuehrer. ‘With this I have knocked the weapons out of the hands of this gentry . . . Poland Has been maneuvered into a position, where our military victory is assumed.’ Ultimate, effects cannot yet be predicted: New course! Stalin has written that he promises himself much for both sides. Radical chances in European political picture.

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At the same meeting there is, perhaps a faint whiff of the future, but nothing specific as to from whom might the referenced protectorate be drawn, but included is that current operation (the pending invasion of Poland) are not to be influenced by these nebulous future matters:

New frontiers: Possibly incorporation of some areas into Reich, with protectorate to the east. Military operations need not be affected by regard for future frontiers.

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26 August 1939

Treaty with Russia has secret clause: Ukraine and Baltic States exclusive of Lithuania, are thrown to the Russians.

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28 August 1939

Conference at Reich Chancellery at 1730; Reichstag and several Party notables, Fuehrer accompanied by Himmler, Heydrich, Wolff, Goebbels and Bormann. Situation is very grave. Determined to have Eastern question settled one way or another. Minimum demands: Return of Danzig, settling of Corridor question. ‘Maximum demands: Depending on military situation.’ If minimum demands not satisfied, then war: Brutal! He will himself be in the front line. Position taken by IlDuce serves our best interests. The war will be tough, we may even fail, but ‘As long as lam alive there will be no talk of capitulation.’ -- Soviet Pact widely misunderstood in Party. A pact with Satan to cast out the Devil. -- Economic situation. ‘Applause on proper cues, but thin.’ Personal impression of Fuehrer: worn, haggard, creaking voice, preoccupied. ‘Keeps himself completely surrounded now by his SS advisers.’

So, war breaks out in four days. There does not appear to be an identifiable future action against the Soviet Union under any discussion at this point other than the obscure reference on the 22nd, at least not in Halder’s presence or that he was willing to put to paper, though as you read through the diary there is certainly enough other detailed discussion of plans or thinking regarding other countries. It does not appear that there was ever a thought that the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact was not going to go through.

Halder Diaries can be had here https://cgsc.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/search/collection/p4013coll8/searchterm/War+journal+of+Franz+Halder/field/title/mode/all/conn/and

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Fall Weiss, the plan for the invasion of Poland, had (mostly) been laid out by the German general staff years before 1939. The earliest draft took place in the late 1920s. The idea was that Germany would attack Poland from three sides, west, north, and south. converging near Warsaw in the center of the country. Only the "details" changed with the Non-aggression Pact with the Soviet Union.

If Germany was going to "bait the bear," the late 1930s was the time to do it while the Red Army was reeling from the purges of Tugachevsky (and many others). Therefore, while the Molotov-Ribbentrop plan was "helpful" for Germany's invasion of Poland, it probably was not "necessary."* By 1941, it was already late in the game, and much after that, "forgetaboutit."

*Edit: On thinking about it, it's possible that the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact was hurtful, rather than helpful to the Nazis. They might have done better to not cut a deal with the Soviet Union and gone all the way to the eastern border of Poland. This is, of course, said with the benefit of hindsight, given the rapid success of the campaign. But it might demonstrate that the invasion of Poland was viable without the benefit of Soviet suuport.

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Curzon line problem

First of all, historically,planning for the German invasion of the USSR (Operation Barbarossa) didn't start before July 1940. The reasons for that are understandable: Before that date Germany had not yet defeated France and British troops in France. The Germans in general were not eager to repeat the situation from WW1 with a two-front war. Even Hitler mentions this in Mein Kampf. Also, in 1939 Germany actually didn't have allies that would go to war with them (Italy joined only on June 10th 1940 with the French defeat looming; the others followed after that). In 1939 other countries simply expected repeat of WW1 with Germany being blockaded and isolated.

Second thing to consider is what reaction could Germany have expected from other major powers in case of an invasion of Poland. During the planning for Fall Weiss, Hitler demanded that the whole operation last around six weeks, but OKH was more cautious and counted on 3 months. The reason for Hitler's haste was because he hpped that a quick conclusion of operations could perhaps deter armed conflict with both France and Great Britain. As we know, the campaign against Poland actually lasted only around five weeks, but nevertheless war with Britain and France was not prevented. Although the Germans hoped to avoid such a conflict, they were nevertheless prepared for this eventuality.

The situation with the USSR was somewhat different. As is well known, during the Polish-Soviet war of 1919-21, Poles utilized opportunity and Soviet weakness to grab some land east of Curzon Line, land that was ethnically not Polish but Belarusian and Ukrainian. Germans knew that Soviets lay claim to that land, and that in the case of a German-Polish war it was unlikely Soviets would stand idly and let Germans occupy those territories. The situation was only exacerbated by ideological animosity and thr recent Spanish civil war, where Soviet and German troops actively fought against each other, especially in the air. It should be noted that while secretly negotiating with Germans, the Soviets were also negotiating with British and French right until mid-August 1939 about joint action against the Germans. Negotiations did fail mostly because Poles did not want Soviet troops on their territory even in this dire hour, but it shows that Soviets were not willing to look the other way in case of a German attack on Poland.

Therefore, without the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact, or hypothetical agreement with British & French, what Germany could expect would be the dreaded two front war . Either Britain and France would declare war first and the USSR join them, or the USSR would enter Poland to protect Belarus and Ukrainians there with the French and British joining. Therefore, without an agreement with either Western or Eastern powers, Germany would not have invaded Poland in 1939, let alone the USSR. Only after the total defeat of France and British ground forces in Europe, followed by other countries joining in with the Germans, they felt strong enough to tackle the USSR.

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