Do all believers receive the Holy Spirit at conversion but only a few are filled with the Holy Spirit post conversion?

Do all believers receive the Holy Spirit at conversion but only a few are filled with the Holy Spirit post conversion?

Yes and yes.

God says He will give the gift of His spirit to believers. We don't become believers on our own - God calls and draws us toward Him. His spirit interacts with our spirit to begin to see the world and ourselves differently. Once we are aware of what's going on and have accepted Jesus' sacrifice for our sin, with a repentant heart we are baptised and granted the spirit - a gift, a down-payment, a deposit, of what will be ours in full when 'born from above' at our change or resurrection.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born from above, (or again) he cannot see the kingdom of God.

There is no promised to be filled with the spirit - not in this age. God delivers a special 'dose' of His presence for special moments, tasks and lives that need a focus and ability that is beyond the ability or desire of a carnal man.

Exodus 31:3 I have filled him with the Spirit of God in wisdom, in understanding, in knowledge, and in all kinds of craftsmanship.

God chooses the ones that will receive this special indwelling.

Luke 1:15 he will be filled with the Holy Spirit while yet in his mother’s womb (John the Baptist)

Then Saul (who is also Paul), filled with the Holy Spirit... Acts 13:9

and they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit Acts 6:5

Stephen's willingness to serve in the way he did was made possible by the extra presence of God.

But being full of the Holy Spirit, he gazed intently into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God; 56 and he said, “Behold, I see the heavens opened up and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.” Acts 7:55

And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues Acts 2:4

The standard gift of God's spirit is intended to increase within us - filling us as the close of the age approaches. Yet we are still flesh and blood - until we follow Jesus, the firstborn from the dead (we all are dead) into spirit life. Eph 3:19 '...that you may be filled in all the fullness of God' is Paul's prayer for those at Ephesus and all that follow.

We can see from these few examples, that God selects some people to serve in a special and pivotal way - sometimes it's their death! It's God's prerogative to 'fill' as suits His purposes - not ours.

Whether it's being an apostle, a martyr, a teacher or preacher it is God's will superseding our will. We have Jonah's vivid tale of trying to avoid God's charge over him, but God had His way in the end. Paul (Saul), persecuting the church with vigour, only to be swiftly transformed by the indwelling of God to become a chief apostle and writer of much of the NT!

God has a plan of salvation which Jesus was the central figure - the logos became flesh. There are others charged by God to contribute to this plan, selected, chosen, enabled, inspired, focussed, tenacious, single-minded men (and women)... Abraham, Moses, David, Joshua, Jesus, Paul, Peter and all the other disciples - it's a long list of people God picked for a special role and sovereignly ensured they succeeded!

It is not man that enables a person to be 'filled'. This is God's doing. Through God's elders He gives His spirit in measure - usually through the process of hands, prayer etc.

We see that Jesus is given this power of God to give the spirit to others.

Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear. Acts 2:33

This spirit promised and delivered through Jesus is different from what was with Moses and the others.

John 7:39 He was speaking about the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were later to receive. For the Spirit had not yet been given, because Jesus had not yet been glorified.

Do all believers receive the Holy Spirit at conversion but only those confirmed are then more filled with the Holy Spirit post conversion?

Yes to the first part and yes and yes to the second part according to the which Christian tradition one is dealing with.

We all the grace of the Holy Spirit at conversion, baptism and even later on in life. The Holy Spirit is never stagnant, but constantly aiding believers to live good Christian lives.

We all receive the Holy Spirit when we are baptized, and thus become members of Christ’s followers. That much is certain.

Baptism infuses supernatural grace into the soul in the person being baptized. We become a dwelling place acceptable to the Holy Spirit.

However, some denominations such as Catholics and Orthodox believe that the sacrament of confirmation brings an increase on of graces into the souls, above those initially received at baptism or our initial conversion.

This is how some denominations seek to explain passages like Acts 8:14-17.

14 When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to Samaria. 15 When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they might receive the Holy Spirit, 16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 17 Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. - Acts 8:14-17 (NIV)

But why Confirmation?

Confirmation deepens our baptismal life that calls us to be missionary witnesses of Jesus Christ in our families, neighborhoods, society, and the world. Through Confirmation, our personal relationship with Christ is strengthened. We receive the message of faith in a deeper and more intensive manner with great emphasis given to the person of Jesus Christ, who asked the Father to give the Holy Spirit to the Church for building up the community in loving service.

The Holy Spirit bestows seven gifts—wisdom, understanding, knowledge, fortitude, counsel, piety, and fear of the Lord—to assist us in our mission and witness. The impact of these gifts accompanies us in the various stages of our spiritual development.

As the confirmed, we walk with the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit. Wisdom enables us to see the world from God’s viewpoint, which can help us come to grasp the purpose and plan of God. It grants us the long-range view of history, examining the present in the light of the past and the mystery of the future. It saves us from the illusion that the spirit of the times is our only guide. The Spirit’s gift of knowledge directs us to a contemplation, or thoughtful reflection, of the mystery of God—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—as well as of the mysteries of the Catholic faith. We are drawn to meditative prayer, where we allow God to lead us while we rest patiently in the divine presence.

The gift of understanding stimulates us to work on knowing ourselves as part of our growth in knowing God. It is what St. Augustine meant when he prayed, “That I may know You, may I know myself.” When the Spirit pours fortitude or courage into our hearts, we can trust that we will be prepared to stand up for Christ and the Gospel when challenged. As the gift of counsel or right judgment grows in us, we can sense the quiet teaching that the Spirit gives us about our moral lives and the training of our consciences.

The gift of piety or reverence is an act of respect for the Father who created us, for Jesus who saved us, and for the Spirit who is sanctifying us. We learn reverence for God and people from our parents and others who train us in virtue. The Spirit fills us with this gift at liturgy, which is a masterful school of reverence, as well as through popular devotions and piety.

Finally, the gift of fear of the Lord or wonder and awe in God’s presence can infuse honesty into our relationship with God, a frankness that places us in awe before the majesty of God. Yet the gift also imparts an attitude of grateful wonder that God loves us and that we can share in his life.

When we are responsive to the grace of Confirmation and the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit, we begin to bear the fruits of the Spirit. The tradition of the Church names twelve fruits of the Holy Spirit: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, generosity, gentleness, faithfulness, modesty, self-control, and chastity (cf. CCC, no. 1832; Gal 5:22). - [Why is Confirmation important? What effect does it have on me?

Here is now the Catechism of the Catholic Church explains the increase of graces and gifts of the Holy Spirit after baptism:

III. The Effects of Confirmation

1302 It is evident from its celebration that the effect of the sacrament of Confirmation is the full outpouring of the Holy Spirit as once granted to the apostles on the day of Pentecost.

1303 From this fact, Confirmation brings an increase and deepening of baptismal grace:

• it roots us more deeply in the divine filiation which makes us cry, "Abba! Father!";
• it unites us more firmly to Christ;
• it increases the gifts of the Holy Spirit in us;
• it renders our bond with the Church more perfect;116
• it gives us a special strength of the Holy Spirit to spread and defend the faith by word and action as true witnesses of Christ, to confess the name of Christ boldly, and never to be ashamed of the Cross:

Recall then that you have received the spiritual seal, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of right judgment and courage, the spirit of knowledge and reverence, the spirit of holy fear in God's presence. Guard what you have received. God the Father has marked you with his sign; Christ the Lord has confirmed you and has placed his pledge, the Spirit, in your hearts.

1304 Like Baptism which it completes, Confirmation is given only once, for it too imprints on the soul an indelible spiritual mark, the "character," which is the sign that Jesus Christ has marked a Christian with the seal of his Spirit by clothing him with power from on high so that he may be his witness.119

1305 This "character" perfects the common priesthood of the faithful, received in Baptism, and "the confirmed person receives the power to profess faith in Christ publicly and as it were officially (quasi ex officio)."

There is a biblical bases for this from the perspective of those denominations the believe confirmation is an adds an increase of grace and gifts of the Holy Spirit.

Scriptural foundation

The roots of confirmation are found in the Church of the New Testament. In the Gospel of John 14, Christ speaks of the coming of the Holy Spirit on the Apostles (John 14:15–26). Later, after his Resurrection, Jesus breathed upon them and they received the Holy Spirit (John 20:22), a process completed on the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1–4). That Pentecostal outpouring of the Spirit was the sign of the messianic age foretold by the prophets (cf. Ezek 36:25–27; Joel 3:1–2). Its arrival was proclaimed by Apostle Peter. Filled with the Holy Spirit the apostles began to proclaim "the mighty works of God" (Acts 2:11; Cf. 2:17–18). After this point, the New Testament records the apostles bestowing the Holy Spirit upon others through the laying on of hands.

Three texts make it certain that a laying on of hands for the imparting of the Spirit – performed after the water-bath and as a complement to this bath – existed already in the earliest apostolic times. These texts are: Acts 8:4–20 and 19:1–7, and Hebrews 6:1–6. In the Acts of the Apostles 8:14–17 different "ministers" are named for the two actions. It is not deacon Philip, the baptiser, but only the apostles who were able to impart the pneuma through the laying on of hands.

Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent them Peter and John, who went down and prayed for them, that they might receive the holy Spirit, for it had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they laid hands on them and they received the holy Spirit.

Further on in the text, connection between the gift of the Holy Spirit and the gesture of laying on of hands appears even more clearly. Acts 8:18–19 introduces the request of Simon the magician in the following way: "When Simon saw that the Spirit was given through the laying on of the apostles' hands ... ." In Acts 19, baptism of the disciples is mentioned in quite general terms, without the minister being identified. If we refer to 1 Cor 1:17 we may presume that Paul left the action of baptising to others. But then Acts 19:6 expressly states that it was Apostle Paul who laid his hands upon the newly baptised. Hebrews 6:1–6 distinguishes "the teaching about baptisms" from the teaching about "the laying on of hands". The difference may be understood in the light of the two passages in Acts 8 and 19.

Some denominations not do see Confirmation as a sacrament, but simply as an act of passage into becoming an adult in their particular community. In many Protestant denominations, such as the Anglican, Lutheran, Methodist and Reformed Churches, confirmation is a rite that often includes a profession of faith by an already baptized person. Confirmation is required by Anglicans and traditional Protestant denominations for full membership in the respective church.

Confirmation is not practiced at all in Baptist, Anabaptist and other groups that teach believer's baptism.

(note: much confusion comes from the translated and interpreted Greek texts. To clarify I will quote the English as written and then offer a translation that is closer to the Greek without denominational interpretations).

Sealed upon rebirth

The Holy Spirit seals those who believe in Jesus Christ and are saved.

“ “Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’” ‭‭John‬ ‭3:5-7‬

It’s at this point that a person is born again of the Spirit and receive a new spirit which is the rebirthing experience. This however is not the time the Spirit is received, rather the Greek reads it’s the time when the seal which the Spirit places on the new believer occurs. A seal of approval for purchase and the believer will be redeemed (picked-up) in the end.

“In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.” ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭1:13-14‬

This text is confusing because the translation has done a lot of interpreting to the text but in an effort to help the reader they have misled the reader.

It should read something closer to, ... those who believe were sealed as was the sacred promise, by the Spirit, this seal is the guarantee of their inheritance.

It’s not the Holy Spirit that is the guarantee but the seal that the Holy Spirit places on the born again believer. This is proven later in Ephesians when it reads that the Holy Spirit is the sealer but not the seal, by whom and not with whom

“And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.” ‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:30‬ ‭

Paul in a different epistle writes the following

“and who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.” ‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭1:22‬

Once again the Greek’s translation has too much interpretation but at a minimum this passage shows that the seal is separate to the Holy Spirit even in the English. How the Greek should be translated in my mind is the following “...and who has also put his seal on us and having given the deposit OF THE SPIRIT in our hearts.

This will clarify the text that says

“for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.” ‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:16‬ ‭

Once again the text is translated with interpretation.

It should read ... the Holy Spirit had not fallen on any of them, but/except they were baptized in Jesus’ name. Or phrased differently at a minimum they had been baptized in Jesus’ name however they had not yet received the Holy Spirit.”

Later we find that others are baptized in Jesus’ name and also receive the Holy Spirit, meaning that baptizing in Jesus’ Name is not incorrect but baptizing in Jesus’ Name without receiving of the Holy Spirit means the baptized was only water baptized and not filled with the Spirit until the laying on of hands in the impartation of the Holy Spirit occurs.

“On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking in tongues and prophesying.” ‭‭Acts‬ ‭19:5-6‬

Granted it’s possible to receive the Holy Spirit even prior to water baptism as in the case of Cornelius mentioned later.

Fullness of the Holy Spirit

Being full of the Holy Spirit is to be led by the Spirit or to be obedient to the Spirit. This is in contra distinction to being led by another spirit or under the influence of another, even under the influence of substances (which open the door to unclean spirits) that alter ones ability to make sound judgment such as alcohol and/or drugs Ephesians 5:18

Not all those who are sealed by the Holy Spirit are also full of the Spirit. Though it’s possible to be sealed and filled simultaneously with water baptism to follow. This is what happened with Cornelius.

“While Peter was still saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word. And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles.” ‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:44-45‬ ‭

It’s important not to conflate the gift of the Holy Spirit with the Holy Spirit. Yes the Holy Spirit fell on those who heard the gospel and yes they were filled with the Holy Spirit but the gift of the Holy Spirit was the speaking in tongues evident by its manifestation.

“For they were hearing them speaking in tongues and extolling God. Then Peter declared,” ‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:46‬ ‭

The gift was the speaking in tongues. And there are many gifts but in this case it was speaking in tongues.

“Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit;” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭12:4‬

Receiving power to witness

Receiving power to witness is a gift and this is explicitly stated by Jesus. Also noteworthy is that Jesus didn’t say they would receive the Holy Spirit. They already received the Holy Spirit.

“And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.” ‭‭John‬ ‭20:22

As such the disciples had already received the Holy Spirit. What they had NOT received however was baptism of the Holy Spirit. As such receiving the Holy Spirit or being filled with the Holy Spirit is different from being baptized with the Holy Spirit.

“And while staying with them he ordered them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for the promise of the Father, which, he said, “you heard from me; for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”” ‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:4-5‬

And the purpose of the baptism of the Holy Spirit was not to receive the Holy Spirit, even though by definition they were immersing/submerging/surrounding themselves in the Holy Spirit but Jesus Himself tells them what they were in fact receiving

“But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”” ‭‭Acts‬ ‭1:8‬

They would receive POWER or supernatural abilities, for the PURPOSE of witnessing about Jesus Christ to the unbelievers.

This was the same thing/power (same Greek word) that Jesus was immersed in after the 40 day wilderness experience

“And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit to Galilee, and a report about him went out through all the surrounding country.” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭4:14‬

Jesus was already full of the Holy Spirit. And being led by the Holy Spirit. The miracles happen after Jesus returns in the power of the Holy Spirit not prior. The filling is for leading, the baptism is for signs and wonders.

“And Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit in the wilderness” ‭‭Luke‬ ‭4:1‬

The baptism of the Holy Spirit is higher in “intensity” from merely being full of the Holy Spirit. It is supposed to be followed by supernatural manifestations FOR the purpose of witnessing about Jesus Christ and/or judgment. If it’s for personal edification it’s sufficient to be full of the Holy Spirit. But a sign that you have been called to witness with signs and wonders accompanying the preaching of the gospel is the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

We know Philip was full of the Holy Spirit but he was also baptized with the Holy Spirit because it can be inferred from the text

“And the crowds with one accord paid attention to what was being said by Philip, when they heard him and saw the signs that he did.” ‭‭Acts‬ ‭8:6‬ ‭

Summation

• The Holy Spirit seals the believer with a seal, not with Himself
• The Holy Spirit fills a believer for ministering to others, and for leading a believer
• The Holy Spirit can engulf a believer such that they are immersed in the Holy Spirit, this is the baptism of the Holy Spirit
• The Holy Spirit gives gifts during the filling and/or baptism

Major denominational views

Catholicism

With exception to small denominational particularities most denominations share the historic position of Catholicism, which is that the Holy Spirit is received upon baptism in/with water. As such I don’t intend to cover all denominations. This view makes the point that all believers receive the Holt Spirit and the Holy Spirit then chooses to give different gifts or manifest at His discretion.

What is important to note is that for about half a century now a movement in Catholicism is recognizing the Charismatic view on the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Many Catholic scholars have attempted to explain the baptism in the Holy Spirit and have come up with different theological interpretations. The predominant one is that a baptism in the Holy Spirit unleashes the Holy Spirit that is already present within us, by revitalizing the graces we received in the sacrament of Baptism. Deacon Brenton Cordeiro

This is however in the Catholic theological understanding is a bound sacrament, meaning it requires the corporation of the individual to unleash a greater measure of the outpouring of the Holy Spirit in their lives, since according to the Catholic doctrine the Holy Spirit is received upon (water) baptism which for most Catholics is during infancy.

Catholic theology recognizes the concept of a valid, but ‘bound’ sacrament. A sacrament is called “bound” if the fruits that accompany it remain bound on account of certain blocks that hinder its effectiveness. The effectiveness of the sacrament is the result of a cooperation between the grace of the Holy Spirit and human freedom. God pours out the grace of the sacrament in our lives, but the full actualization of our Baptism comes about only through our own personal “yes,” our response of faith, to His divine grace. Fr. Raneiro Cantalamessa

Those interested in more information A New Pentecost? Catholic Theology and “Baptism in the Spirit” Ralph Martin

Baptist and Presbyterian

It is understood that the baptism of the Holy Spirit once and it’s at

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And it came to pass that Paul came to Ephesus and found certain disciples: and be said unto them, "Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?” (Acts 19:1-2).

Timeline: Saul’s conversion (Damascus Rd) = 34/36 AD; Paul in Ephesus Acts 19 = 54 AD. Timeline = 20 yrs. after Pentecost. About 20 yrs. after the Day of Pentecost Paul reached Ephesus. He found something lacking in the believers. So, he inquired, “Have you received the Holy Spirit since you believed?” (Acts 19:1-2).

Even today churches have this line of 2-fold Christians. They are believers & disciples without receiving the Holy Spirit & another group who are believers & disciples who received the Holy Spirit. This is where one can draw the argument that receiving the Holy Spirit happens at once upon believing.

Act 9:17, 20, 22

¹⁷ And Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit."

²⁰ Immediately he preached the Christ in the synagogues, that He is the Son of God.

²² But Saul increased even more in strength, and confounded the Jews who dwelt in Damascus, proving that this Jesus is the Christ.

There are 2 major ways the Holy Spirit works in people. First the Holy Spirit does the preparatory work for people to receive Jesus Christ (for conversion, faith, holy living). How the Holy Spirit prepares the person for conversion:

John 3:5-8

⁵Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. ⁶ "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. ⁷ "Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.' ⁸ "The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit."

John 16:8-9

⁸ And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: ⁹ of sin, because they do not believe in Me.

1 Pet 1:22

Since you have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit in sincere love of the brethren, love one another fervently with a pure heart,

Tit 3:5

not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

Secondly, the Holy Spirit is the higher and more advanced phase when the people who experienced the first phase receive the Holy Spirit as the Father’s Promised gift (Acts 2:33) as an indwelling Person to whom they give authority to act on their behalf as their abiding counselor.

Act 2:33

Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.

Let us look at another example of this. Timeline = 35‐36 AD Acts 8 Scattering of church: Philip in Samaria, Peter & John travel; Pentecost = 29-30 AD. So, the following narrative is 5-6 yrs. after the Upper Room experience.

Act 8:4-6, 8-9, 12-13

⁴ Therefore the scattered believers went everywhere preaching the word. ⁵ Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria and preached Christ to them. ⁶ And the multitudes with one accord heeded the things spoken by Philip, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did.

⁸ And there was immense joy in that city. ⁹ But there was a certain man called Simon, who previously practiced sorcery in the city and astonished the people of Samaria, claiming that he was someone great,

¹² But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women took water-baptism (water added for clarity). ¹³ Then Simon himself also believed; and after his water baptism (water added for clarity), he continued with Philip, and was amazed, seeing the miracles and signs.

So here Philip goes to Samaria. He preaches Christ. The people accepted the Lord as their Savior. That means they put their trust in Jesus. They became disciples or believers of Jesus Christ. Did they then automatically receive the Holy Spirit as some people now profess? Let us examine the Scripture further.

Act 8:14-17

¹⁴ Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, ¹⁵ who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. ¹⁶ For yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only received the water-baptism (water added for clarity) in the name of the Lord Jesus. ¹⁷ Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

These people in Samaria took water-baptism. But they had then to receive the Holy Spirit. Were they Christians? Yes, indeed they were. When they believed in putting their faith in the name of Jesus Christ, they understood about the kingdom of God, and they received water baptism (v. 12). They had immense joy (v.8). Even Simeon, a sorcerer received Jesus. In the first phase of believing, their hearts recognize the superiority of the name of Jesus Christ all that happened by the power of the word by the working of the Holy Spirit upon their hearts leading them to conversion and faith. But that was not complete. They needed the second phase of the Holy Spirit - Receiving the gift of the Father, the promise that Jesus said is to all people who believe (Acts 2:33).

This gift was something quite different from the working of the Spirit that led them to conversion, faith, and joy in Jesus as Savior. It was something higher that comes from heaven. The promise that the glorified Jesus Christ said was the Father’s gift from heaven.

Would the Samaria disciples be Christians if they had not received the gift of the Holy Spirit? Yes, they would still be Christians. But they would have remained weak. They may have the zeal, doing evangelism, praying, reading & meditating the Bible, and preaching, but despite all the good and holy things they do they would still be weak.

Do you have a need for the Holy Spirit? Only the sick need a physician. Only the thirsty will run to a well. Are you thirsty for the Holy Spirit? If you are not, then you will not get the Holy Spirit.

Saul had an encounter with Jesus on the Damascus Road when Jesus' glorious light hit him from heaven (Acts 9). Saul heard the voice of Jesus Christ. His men too heard the voice but did not see anyone. Saul did not see anyone either. But he had a conversation with the glorified Jesus Christ in heaven. Ananias too saw Jesus, not in person but in a vision.

Saul believed. Took water baptism. Became a Christian. You shout happiness. You are exuberant. You attend worship more enthusiastically. But let me ask you, as Paul asked since you believed have you received the Holy Spirit?

Another example of the filling of believers later is in Acts 4. Timeline = 29-30 AD; Hence soon after Pentecost.

Act 4:31

And when they had prayed, their assembly place shook; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God with boldness.

John & Peter laid their hands on the Samaria disciples. Ananias laid his hand on Saul. Now those kinds of meetings are non-existent because churches believe incorrectly that during water baptism or at first belief in the Lord you automatically received the Holy Spirit. where did that teaching come from? Possibly a misreading of Acts 2:38, Rom 8:9, or Eph 1:13.

Act 2:38

Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Rom 8:9

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

Eph 1:13

In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, sealing you with the Holy Spirit of promise.

In Acts 2:38, Rom 8:9, or Eph 1:13, the Holy Spirit is active only in the first phase, i.e., conversion. The second phase of the Holy Spirit waits for the thirsty Christian. In conclusion, “Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?” (Acts 19:1-2).

To answer this question I will examine the following verses - most of which were quoted by the OP.

• Eph 1:13, 4:30 - And in Him, having heard and believed the word of truth—the gospel of your salvation—you were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit ... And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, in whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

Thus, all people who experience a genuine conversion to Christ receive in some form, the gift of the Holy Spirit

• Rom 8:9 - You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.

This confirms the above point that it is impossible to be a Christian without the gift of the Holy Spirit. This is further confirmed by other references such as Gal 5:22 where we need the Holy Spirit to produce the fruit of the Spirit and John 16:13 tells us we need the Spirit to even know Jesus.

Now compare two texts in Acts:

• Acts 2:3, 4 - They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.

... and ...

• Acts 4:31 - After they prayed, the place where they were meeting was shaken. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke the word of God boldly.

Now by placing these two verse side by side we see that many of the same people (the apostles plus others) were present on both occasions. In both cases the description includes the idea of being "filled with the Holy Spirit" and miraculous things occurred. This does NOT mean that the apostles were emptied of the Holy Spirit between these two events; rather, it simply means that "filled with the Holy Spirit" appears to be a Hebraism for an occasion where the power of the Holy Spirit is displayed as His discretion.

Thus, while the apostles received the gift of the Holy Spirit in the upper room in Acts 1, they were "Filled with the Holy Spirit" on other occasions which means that the Holy Spirit decided to use these people to work miracles such as heal the sick, speak in tongues or whatever in a significant way.

UPDATE

In several places such as Acts 8:14-17, 19:6, etc we see instances of groups or people receiving the gift of the spirit for the first time. The disciples received the Holy Spirit when it was given by Jesus in John 20:22. In subsequent instances such as Acts 2:3, 4, 4:8, 31, etc, we have a simple record that the disciples were filled or were full of the Spirit - a state that was constant with the faithful (eg apostles) after they received the Spirit.