What is saving faith?

I have read the Bible from cover to cover 9 times in the last 10 1/2 years... It is a study Bible in the NKJV format, written by John MacArthur... While I don't 100% agree with every note that John MacArthur makes...I believe the very act of salvation is a mystery that each person must work out on their own...

The Apostle Paul tells us this, in...Philippians 2:12... Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; (NKJV)

John MacArthur has written at least 4 versions of study Bibles, and over 80 books... I was amazed at his statement in the following video, that he wasn't even sure as to how his own salvation came about... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mleum3jZ1E

I believe sinners must be drawn in by God first...John 6:44... No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. (NKJV)

At this point they have to hear the gospel of Jesus Christ, and the gospel of Christ must be understood and obeyed to be graced by God with salvation...

I spent a day writing on this necessity to become a Christian in the following link...

http://brmfam.wordpress.com/2012/10/20/gods-group-thoughts-for-10202012-gods-grace-through-obedience-to-the-gospel-of-christ/

I also write a daily devotion on Facebook on a page called..."Gods group"

Hope this helps...

bruce r mills

Those who have a ”saving faith” are those who are ”clean”. Everyone is invited to the wedding feast, both good and evil, but those who get to stay are those who have put on the ”wedding garments”.

Quote from Bible.Org Article

The outcome of this man’s situation informs us of the true meaning of the symbolism. We have to say that the proper attire would correspond to all that Jesus said was required for entrance into the Kingdom of Heaven--true repentance for sin and faith in Christ, and then a commitment to love and obey the Lord as evidence of saving faith. In Jesus’ day many people certainly wanted to enter the kingdom, but when Jesus started telling them to come to him and take his yoke upon them and learn of him, they went away. And in the day of judgment many will claim to have done good deeds, but Jesus will turn them away because they will not have dealt properly with the basic issue of salvation--they will not be prepared properly and spiritually to be received by the King at the wedding of the Son.

Imagine going to a meeting called by the new sheriff in town where he lays out the rules: no guns allowed. You check your shooting irons in at the town entrance and reclaim them when you leave. You are ”clean”.

Imagine being found later with a Derringer tucked in your boots. Its the pokey for you, or may be worse.

Everybody followed the rules, except Judas. He wasn't clean. Turned out badly for him: he became a vessel of dishonour, fit for ignoble use. IOW, the role you play is decided by your reaction to the Word Jesus teaches you, and your decision to obey or not, to be righteous or evil.

John 6:70 NET Jesus replied, “Didn’t I choose you, the twelve, and yet one of you is the devil?”

John 13:10 NET Jesus replied, “The one who has bathed needs only to wash his feet, but is completely clean. And you disciples are clean, but not every one of you.”

John 15:3 NET You are clean already because of the word that I have spoken to you.

i think what @asfallows said is right.
In addition and my answer as a non-calvinist:
i see "saving faith" as an approach to convert someone. Which christians must.

First, have faith to become saved. Then follow up with repenting, baptism, and going to chruch.

Which order of procedure is right?

Like @asfallows, i'm not quoting because this is still a debate between denominations.
So just follow your doctrine. Maybe one day we-all christians will have the same doctrine again.

Eric,

If I have this right, your question was: "If there is such thing as a non-saving faith, or non-genuine "choosing", what characterizes saving faith?"

First, I must confess I'm probably more Calvinistic than not. But, I believe there is most certainly a none saving faith, so no "IF" here...

I open by giving an example, The Rich Young Ruler of Mark 10:17-27. This man absolutely believed in God the Father. No one could say he didn't believe for he had since his youth kept all the commandments, so he had faith! He believed in God and his need for salvation and he was working it out by his obedience to the commandments of God.

Jesus' answers, “You lack one thing: go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.” Jesus knew this mans heart and knew the thing that was holding up "Saving Faith" and it was his possessions.

@bruce r mills was right "Saving Faith" is when we as believers work out our own salvation with fear and trembling by emptying ourselves, giving up our temporal securities (which by the way are illusions of safety & security), surrendering the things we perceive make us happy or keep us safe and walk in faith and trust God has our best in mind (which is a fearful thing). Because the next verse is Phil 2:13 "for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure." Many believers are under the impression this is still their life to live and it is not... It is the Masters to do with as he pleases.

What's the difference between "non-saving faith" and "saving faith"? One thing, selling all you have surrendering your desires to that of the Masters... Reaching up grabbing the Master hand and walking into the unknown realizing it's all about the Masters plan and your life is his not yours. So, our part to sell everything and follow the Master.

Our Lord Jesus was the greatest example, for Paul writes earlier in Philippians 2 the example of our Lord is laid out... "5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross." He surrendered the wealth of heaven to be obedient to the father.

He left the riches of heaven to become flesh. But, then he went on to really give the examples of a life of faith... to selflessly serve (ex. Washing of the feet of the disciples), then he gave the two great commandments, which bare witness of a "Faith that Saves" Mark 12:29-30 And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”

Faith that saves lives by these rules of engagement and the fruit of faith becomes evidence as we walk into the unknown with the Master who knows all!!

I hope I didn't break in forum rules.

faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

Doesn't this seem to say that since true faith is accompanied by action, and faith unaccompanied by action is dead, that the dead faith isn't really faith at all?

From your comment on asfallows's answer:

But James seems to argue that people can legitimately believe (as the demons do) but have some saving quality missing

I hate to quote myself, but it's quite relevant, I promise. (plus, what's the difference between quoting myself and just re-saying it?)

Typically faith is split into three categories: knowledge, assent, commitment. Most modern day Americans have knowledge (that is, most know of the gospel of Christ, or at least have heard of Jesus). Many believe that He died for their sins. But as James says, "even the demons believe!" Not so many, perhaps, actually trust God for their salvation. It is one thing to think that Jesus died for you, pray a prayer, and move on. It is another to live one's whole life utterly devoted to God, in light of Christ's death and wholly dependent upon that death for Salvation.

In my opinion, then (from what I've been taught in my PCA church), non-saving faith isn't really faith at all. I suppose you could say it's 2/3 faith, but as James says, it's still dead.

So unless we really, truly believe that Jesus died for us and live for him, we've never really had faith in the first place.

In a sort of strange extension of Paul's "dead" analogy in Ephesians 2, I guess you could say that the dead faith is like hooking a dead guy up to a robot. You can make the dead guy look sort of alive; you can put the gospel right in front of his nose and move him around. But unless he actually comes back to life, he won't be saved. (does that analogy even make sense?)

In Sum,

if God hasn't given the person a new "heart of flesh", it's not saving faith.