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You already mentioned that you had seen support for this in the Apocrypha (otherwise known as the Deuterocannonical text). As such, it became a Tradition to ask the Saints for intercessory prayers, because of the belief that they can in fact pray for us.
And on top of that...
my question is if there is biblical authority to support the proposition that when we are in heaven, in the presence of God, we can pray for the living.
In Luke 16 we read of the exchange between two men who had passed away:
There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. [31] And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
(Luke 16:19–31)
This is used as evidence of the ability to be aware of things going on elsewhere, and to communicate with people elsewhere (which would include doing so with God through prayer), even after going to "the place where the departed saints go".
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To be clear: certain doctrines, in fact, a great many that all 'Christians' believe, do not have their 'basis' or 'origin', strictly speaking, in the Bible. So much as the Bible approves, dissapproves, teaches and allows certain things. But it doesn't prescribe, necessarily, every doctrine which was formative in the Church and its faith: a great example being the canon of Scripture itself. Some of it is descriptive, not prescriptive of valid doctrines, offices etc.
A good example is a valid office of what we might call the 'Seat of Moses', similar to, and probably a shadow of 'the Chair of Peter'. Jesus explicitly confirms and recognizes this office of leadership as something pre-existing His own ministry, and which is valid: Matthew 23:1-3.
Several passages prove this. Many proofs are in the books rejected by the Reformers, called by them the 'Apocrypha' (unscriptural books relegated to the back of their Bible, and subsquently completely out of their Bible altogether) but which were nonetheless at the least formative of religious practice in the earliest Church; their Bible being, for a great time, the Greek Septuagint, which includes the Alexandrian, 'longer' canon.
2 Maccabees 12:40-46
And they found...the slain...And so betaking themselves to prayers, they besought him, that the sin which had been committed might be forgotten....And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachmas of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection, (For if he had not hoped that they that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead), And because he considered that they who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them. It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.
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(I personally find a certain drawing upon this language and theme in James 5:15:)
And the prayer of faith shall save the sick [dying] man: and the Lord shall raise him up [the context of resurrection]: and if he be in sins, they shall be forgiven him.
(Again, only what I personally see to be a possible paraphrastic-style reference: since Catholicism holds that the sacrament of Extreme Unction described in James 5 is for the sick in danger of death, and that the sacrament prepares them to enter into heavenly glory without Purgation)
2 Maccabees 15:12-14
Onias who had been high priest...holding up his hands, prayed for all the people of the Jews: After this there appeared also another man, admirable for age, and glory, and environed with great beauty and majesty: Then Onias answering, said: This is a lover of his brethren, and of the people of Israel: this is he that prayeth much for the people, and for all the holy city, Jeremiah the prophet of God.
Needless to say, Jeremiah was long 'dead'.
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Tobit 12:12-15
When thou didst pray...I offered thy prayer to the Lord. ... For I am the angel Raphael, one of the seven, who stand before the Lord.
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This has to be Scripture, for St. John tells us this is exactly what happens in heaven, even though the book of Tobit tells this divine truth centuries in advance:
Revelation 8:2-3
And I saw seven angels standing in the presence of God; and there were given to them seven trumpets. And another angel came, and stood before the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given to him much incense, that he should offer of the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar, which is before the throne of God.
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Revelation 5:8, by saying the exact same of the 'elders,' human saints, asserts that both saints and angels can pray for us. This is what we would expect, since Jesus tells us men shall be like the angels and equal to them, sons of God (My 22:30; Lk 20:36).
SAINTS AND ANGELS, IN HEAVEN, OFFERING PRAYERS ON OUR BEHALF TO GOD
Luke 16:19-31
There was a certain rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen; and feasted sumptuously every day. And there was a certain beggar, named Lazarus, who lay at his gate... And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom. And the rich man also died: and he was buried [and was] in [the abode of the dead]. And lifting up his eyes when he was in torments, he saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom: And he cried, [prayer/pleading to a 'dead' saint] and said: Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, to cool my tongue: for I am tormented in this flame. And Abraham said to him: Son, remember that thou didst receive good things in thy lifetime, and likewise Lazareth evil things, but now he is comforted; and thou art tormented. And besides all this, between us and you, there is fixed a great chasm: so that they who would pass from hence to you, cannot, nor from thence come hither. And he said: Then, father, I beseech thee, that thou wouldst send him to my father's house, for I have five brethren, that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torments. And Abraham said to him: They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. But he said: No, father Abraham: but if one went to them from the dead, they will [change their ways]. And he said to him: If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe, [even] if one [should] rise again from the dead.
(notesmine, for readability and some commentary as relevant to the question)
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The most important part is that Jesus takes communication between the spirits of the dead for granted—as very much possible; their being able to be present with each other the only thing not possible.
Abraham is called 'father,' in a spiritual sense, disproving the novel idea that "call no man father" forbids, or means forbidding this.
There are arguments on both sides as to whether this better suits a description of Purgatory (the rich man) or the Hell of the damned, or the respective places for those destined therefore when the abode of the dead was simply Sheol.
Luke 15:9-10
And when she hath found [the coins she had lost], call together her friends and neighbours, saying: Rejoice with me, because I have found the [silver coin] which I had lost. So I say to you, there shall be joy among the angels of God upon one sinner [who turns from sin].
verse 7,
I say to you, that even so there shall be joy in heaven upon one sinner that [turns from sin] more than upon ninety-nine [righteous] who [are in no need of turning from sin].
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Hebrews 11:8-12:1
Abel...Enoch...Noah...Abraham...Isaac...Jacob...Sarah...Joseph...Moses...Rahab...Gideon...Barak...Samson...Jephthah...David...Samuel...the prophets... ... [ie. all the saints of God] Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us...
12:18-24,
You have not come to a mountain that can be touched and that is burning with fire; to darkness, gloom and storm...But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to...to the spirits of the righteous made perfect...
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