Question about vitakka and vicara. How to reinforce upper jhanas (without vitakka and vicara)
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I read that after the first jhana we need to abandon the vitakka and vicara. But how?
The practice you're doing, is based on Vism. and their redefinition of jhāna, vitakka, etc. If you want to follow the Buddha's definition of jhāna, then you have to follow the buddha's definition of vitakka so you know what V&V is in first jhāna and what you are removing to enter second jhāna, as described here: (my collection of notes, contains links to all the sutta passages that use vitakka in jhāna context) https://lucid24.org/sted/8aam/8samadhi/vitakka/index.html
If you prefer to follow the LBT (late buddhist teaching) redefinition of 'jhāna', then just keep doing what you're doing, and it will improve naturally. They redefine 'vitakka' and vicāra as the subverbal attention on your kasina. As you become skilled in staying on the kasina with very little effort or resistance, that's the gradual removal of V&V. Vicāra is redefined as keeping your attention focused on the kasina. "second jhāna" with V&V removed is redefined to mean you no longer had to exert so much force and energy to keep your mind from drifting away from the kasina.
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There is no awareness of the physical body in jhana. In MN 119, the word 'kaya' does not refer exclusively to the physical body.
Also, piti & sukha do not cease in the 1st and 2nd jhanas.
Also, there are different degrees & levels of piti & sukha therefore not all piti & sukha are factors of jhana.
The Buddha taught jhana is reached by making 'letting go' or 'surrender' ('vossagga') the meditation object (SN 48.10). Therefore, willfully asserting the mind upon a meditation object is not related to jhana.
Vitakka & vicara in jhana does not mean 'ordinary thinking'. Instead, in jhana, vitakka & vicara are subtle movements of the mind drawn towards the piti & sukkha. Vitakka & vicara end in the 2nd jhana by the mind itself directly seeing the non-peacefulness of vitakka & vicara. Thus the suttas say the 2nd jhana is "born from concentration" ("samādhijaṁ").
In summary, vitakka & vicara do not create jhana or make jhana more firm. Instead, vitakka & vicara are like obstacles or impurities in jhana.
In conclusion, jhana is free from the five hindrances, which includes 'doubt'. Minds that have reached real jhana are totally free from doubt about it therefore don't ask questions about jhana on internet forums.
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Leave house first, as higher Dhamma isn't taught to householder by Noble Ones and what's the use of blind teaching blind, good householder.
Holding on house they just have the stand: there is no house, or there is, caught in this or that view, extreme, incapable of even understand kāya. So penetrating through house opens the path, yet who could if not even aware of it. No Saddha (no surrender), no path but just any certain stand, even Jhana is taken as a stand by those not surrender.
Doubters (on house/stand-holders) might give (already gave) of course 'smart' answers, good householder, so nothing to worry.
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